/phi/ - Philosophy

Anonymous ## Mod ## 11/10/26(Wed)10:01 No. 3905 ID: 4c1a8e [Reply] Stickied

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For growing and shit or whatever I present to you:

THE BIG STICKIED THREAD OF PHILOSOPHY RESOURCES

Put in whatever resources that fit in here, whether it's from wikipedia, youtube, some university, or where ever. Just remember to keep it within the board's guidelines and rules.
Use it or lose it, faggots.

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Anonymous 22/07/24(Sun)18:34 No. 15021 ID: 3742c4

https://www.youtube.com/c/KaneB
https://www.youtube.com/c/carneadesofcyrene
You can find there lectures on many philosophical subjects

Anonymous ## Mod ## 12/02/02(Thu)05:26 No. 5920 ID: 4fb7fa [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts] Stickied

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This thread is for discussion of the validity of religion(s) and arguments for and against the existence of god/gods.

Any other new posts about this subject will be deleted, or locked and referred to this one.

New threads about religious concepts that play inside their own ruleset are allowed, and we kindly ask that you refrain from turning those well meaning threads into arguments about religion as a whole.

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Anonymous 25/01/17(Fri)07:47 No. 15893 ID: 3f6ac5

>>9356
Sun is god because sun make rules we can not break caveman logic. Language invented religion but science wizardry invented science, god is only a word to explain the reality.

Anonymous 22/04/28(Thu)06:19 No. 14936 ID: 865d12 [Reply]

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Friends, I'm dying for direction. What I want is Solipsism as a topic handled from an Existential standpoint, not epistemologically. I want to learn about how Hollywoodian Solipsism effects our mentality and turns us into self-serving drones. I know that might be too opinionated and specific so I am also fine with anything that touches it tangentially. If you have any thoughts on the issue yourself I'd love to hear it.

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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:40 No. 15973 ID: 8b3ef1

>>15639
The article literally claims the opposite

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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)01:40 No. 15986 ID: 80c442

>>14936
> I want to learn about how Hollywoodian Solipsism effects our mentality and turns us into self-serving drones

Oh boy another one of those kind of people

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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)01:40 No. 15987 ID: 80c442

Solipsism is the seed of the main character syndrome that affects anyone who is invested in politics

what is woes, just tryna find my way lucee most sane user 23/09/23(Sat)06:01 No. 15343 ID: fb0e48 [Reply]

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does anyone have anything based on more esoteric philosophy, any ideas or concepts that seem more strange and interesting and over the edge I wanna hear em. I've tried researching on this and it seems as I want to get back into philosophy I can't find much on material on this as its more logical based for my taste. Also just got a kindle so any recommendations for the best classics you believe that can probably be found in pdf free online would be appreciated.

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Anonymous 24/09/01(Sun)23:19 No. 15621 ID: ffb737

>>15619
what is consciousness? if it is the awareness of the rest of the minds contents, including memories of things like thoughts, emotions, sensations, and recieved sense data, then it is not carried over at all, it is instantaneous just as everything else is. your memories of being your previous selves are what creates the illusion of a continuous stream of consciousness, which is only but a small part of the illusion of fluid time (a singular universe that changes state, rather than an infinite set of universes that remain fixed in one state without ever moving or changing in any way). you can interpret this in one of two ways, either you arent special compared to anything else in the universe, or you are one with the universe you inhabit, and this is true of every version of yourself through this timeline and all others in which a variant of yourself is present.

the fabric of reality is like this because it allows for travel backwards in time, and i like to think that reality accounts for everything, for if it did not, that would be a great existential threat, as under the infinite vastness of space and time even the most improbable event becomes a certainty to occur, and to do so an infinite number of times.

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Anonymous 24/09/19(Thu)10:05 No. 15660 ID: a30731

The cave way

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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)22:47 No. 15985 ID: 8b3ef1

>>15621
Nothing needs to occur a number of times, because everything is occurring.

Also you yourself talk about the fabric of the universe and yet propose to interpretations of the before mentioned set up. There's only one interpretation which is that everything is connected. If it wasn't, how do you explain the fact that everything is made from the same fabric?

Anyway, I really don't get why you guys are even talking about all of this. Like I understand if you're trying to understand better what you yourself are thinking, but I really don't get the discussion. Like what the fucking point. This board seems to be full of faggots and retards anyway.

If you wanted to talk philosophy, you should have come to psy on 420chan at least a decade ago. On top of that you would have had a laugh. This board on the other hand sounds like a bunch of pretentious 18-year-old seniors. I know my post is low quality, but I'm just saying. WTF are you guys even doing this unless you are new to philosophy and don't know any better than to interact with dimwits like the rest of the folk here because most of these ideas you are just exploring for the first time. Which is fine, no shame in that, but if that's not the case, if you actually have your own opinions about those things, why the fuck would you try to talk with anyone here about it. It will be either someone who already gets it, so why tell them, or it will be someone who's so far away from it that there's no point even trying to tell them about it.

The whole thing is stupid. And the more fundamental you go, the more the language breaks down, you're lucky if your own definitions don't bleed into each other, trying to transcribe this into written language then to supposedly tell someone else. Again the only point I see in it is to clarify your own thoughts by writing them, but that assumes you still need that kind of clarification.

Tldr retard ranting

Virtues produce freedom of mind and soul Anonymous 24/05/24(Fri)08:08 No. 15413 ID: 15a35d [Reply]

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Virtues produce freedom, sins enslave you to externals

Let's take an example for this. Let's say you are sitting on a park bench and you are solving a lengthy math problem in your head. Remember your will is only to solve that math problem going on in your head. Now let's say a car passes by and the driver gives you the middle finger. If you get angry, your mind is off that math problem and on to the man who flipped you off, your will is lost, but if you forgive that man instantaneously, your solving of the math problem remains undisturbed. An attractive women passes by, if you lust after her, again the math problem is off your mind, and that woman is now in your head, the lust consumes you and kills your will. You see a beautiful car and you desire it(materialism/greed), now instead of the math problem that car consumes your mind. Solving the lengthy math problem will take time, but if you become impatient, things like frustration will fill your mind and you will never be able to solve that problem, patience would keep you unperturbed.

Now let's come off this example. Vanity is a rather obvious one, in vanity a person thinks he/she is "better than others or the best", now those terms "better" and "best" are comparison terms, hence your whole existence is defined by those around you, so you are obviously a slave to externals. Pride isn't so obvious, let's say you are proud of your math skills while in 3rd grade, and biology is about to be introduced as a specialized subject in grade 6. Now biology might be the love of your life, but since you have already defined yourselves by math due to pride in the past, you won't be able to freely move on to biology and ditch math altogether. Pride in something now kills your options and free movement in the future. Envy is rather obvious, your being is defined by feeling bad for someone what has or has achieved, your being is a slave to something external. Addictions to anything also obviously enslave you.

Now on to love, if you give up your will out of love for others, you become freer than before. It is almost a paradox, but if one applies this they can learn this through experience. That is all I can say about love, you gotta try it.

In short, virtues are the only way to produce freedom of mind and soul, if you have any sin it means you are a slave.

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Anonymous 24/05/26(Sun)07:29 No. 15420 ID: 520390

>>15417
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Also define "love"
For this I'll end up giving the Biblical description of love, visit the following link for it,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2013%3A4-8&version=NASB

>The biggest enslaver is idealism.
This isn't about idealism, to be mentally free one needs to be free from or stay away from mental cages (like you'd stay away from "idealism"). The original post is an attempt to describe what cages your mind and soul, and what sets it free.

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Anonymous 24/11/24(Sun)11:24 No. 15773 ID: 88d000

It's a risky path, as one's clinging to their conception of virtues in order to become free to e.g. solve some math problem instead of having sexual affairs etc, may cause them to miss on a lot of social and intellectual capital otherwise accumulated by embodied experiences on a variety of topics, and may end up with a little power or influence regarding one's life or protect oneself from the hordes of people displaying no virtues. Let alone their systems of financial coercion, supervision, violence etc.

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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)03:03 No. 15978 ID: 3ac622

>>15773
Since it is (the freedom of) the soul we're talking about here, the body also counts as an external influence. You talk about "sexual affairs", well lust is simply some chemicals produced in your body, should the soul be subjected to chemicals produced in the body? Wouldn't that enslave the soul and limit it to laws of chemistry and physics?

Anonymous 16/08/31(Wed)03:45 No. 12662 ID: 1cc955 [Reply]

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About free will.

Are you reading this text voluntarily? My personal guess is, that many will instinctively answer with yes. In German the adjective „voluntarily“ is translated to „freiwillig“, which means „with free will“ or more literal „free willy“.
Bad jokes aside, the definition of doing something voluntarily, is taking action according to your own free will.
Now why I am focusing on this is, because I want to explore what it actually means to do something voluntarily, along the axis of determinism and free will.

Let’s assume you answered yes to the question of reading this text voluntarily.
And let’s assume our brains do function deterministically.
That would mean, you just had an illusion about having a free will.
The illusion, that you did have a choice, not to read this text this far. Some unknown law, which we try to approximate in the natural sciences, is entirely responsible for what you just did, including the feeling of doing it voluntarily.
It also means, that if you were able to go back in time, every time you did do so, the world and the universe would develop exactly the way they have always been destined to. Including you, reading this text, over and over again. Like a clockwork turning back and forth.
Consciously experiencing a movie that doesn’t feel like a movie but real.
Being aware of this fact also means, that one of the characteristics of this deterministic system is, that it can understand itself.
Let’s have a look at it understanding itself.
If the voluntary guy exists in this deterministic system, his thoughts are part of this system and his conscious experience of having acted voluntarily describes the system in the same way, as an experience of not having done so, would.
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Anonymous 24/08/31(Sat)23:47 No. 15615 ID: ffb737

words take on new meanings aside from those implied by the etymology.

lets accept the lack of free will, then what doss it mean to act voluntarily?

well, here it means that
A. your brain was informed about the consequences they could expect from giving their consent.
B. your brain was not influenced into expressing your consent by the perception of some external threat that is added as a consequence to refusal by the one making the ask of you.

im a pragmatist, nice to meet you, yes we are all autistic af.

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Anonymous 24/09/03(Tue)06:35 No. 15627 ID: ba8a7f

Free will is relative. It's not absolute.
Nothing in this plane of existence is absolute.

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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:29 No. 15970 ID: 8b3ef1

>>15627
>Nothing in this plane of existence is absolute.
You do see the hypocrisy in your statement don't you

A mind that affects matter Anonymous 22/09/17(Sat)14:23 No. 15149 ID: 02e9f5 [Reply] [Last 50 posts]

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350862574_Psychophysical_interactions_with_a_double-slit_interference_pattern_Exploratory_evidence_of_a_causal_influence
>For the experimental data, the outcome supported a pattern of results predicted by a causal psychophysical effect

https://physicsessays.org/browse-journal-2/product/1424-4-dean-radin-leena-michel-and-arnaud-delorme-psychophysical-modulation-of-fringe-visibility-in-a-distant-double-slit-optical-system.html
>...these results were found to support von Neumann’s conclusion that the mind of the observer is an inextricable part of the measurement process.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287506033_Reassessment_of_an_independent_verification_of_psychophysical_interactions_with_a_double-slit_interference_pattern
>Baer's independent analysis confirmed that the optical apparatus used in this experiment was indeed sensitive enough to provide evidence for a psychophysical effect.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258707222_Consciousness_and_the_double-slit_interference_pattern_Six_experiments
>The results appear to be consistent with a consciousness-related interpretation of the quantum measurement problem.

Apparently there is a strong aversion within the scientific community regarding how consciousness tends to go beyond regular cause and effect when you measure its influence on its surroundings. The materialistic interpretation of reality fails to explain why these unusual occurences exist and why you can never see a physical link between these events.

Are you convinced that there is only matter in this universe and nothing else?
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Anonymous 24/12/28(Sat)13:01 No. 15848 ID: 01d296

>>15847
>doesn’t say anything about "heating beryllium with radio waves"

Yeah it does. They use a 320.7-MHz radio frequency field. Why would they use laser cooling if there was no heat generated in the experiment? You're scientifically illiterate, you dumb autist.

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Anonymous 25/01/01(Wed)04:33 No. 15859 ID: 000c23

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>>15847
>doesn’t say anything about "measuring isotopes."
>it talks about beryllium ions

>he doesn't know that Beryllium-9 is an isotope
>he doesn't know that an ion is any atom that has an electrical charge

Your logic:
>if you electrify a metal rod it isn't a metal rod anymore!

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Anonymous 25/02/03(Mon)13:38 No. 15926 ID: 9fbc42

>>15848
He's too lazy to read the whole thing properly.

>>15859
Flawless reasoning!

Plato's Democracy to Tyranny Anonymous 18/04/19(Thu)19:20 No. 13503 ID: 8bdadd [Reply]

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In the United States and other western democracies (see it's in the phrase). We are currently in a degenerate cosmopolitan democracy that values wealth, possessions, and sex over virtue and intellectual pursuits. From here individuals are atomized. They begin to hate their situation and they demand the rule of a tyrant. This explains the phenomena of Trump, the support for Bernie Sanders, and even some of the youths support for Jeremy Corbyn in the UK.

As an American, I was surprised by the vociferous response of virtually any progressive millennial to brexit. I couldn't understand why they cared. Until it dawned on me, we have become so cosmopolitan that people want an all powerful supranational entity to rule over their quasi-bohemian lifestyle.

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Anonymous 24/06/30(Sun)10:32 No. 15515 ID: 734dfa

>>14307
This is also the same problem with the current idea of maturation.

Ancient society used to have children participate in industrial and political.affairs.
Most people nowadays lack the basic skills for propr adulthood.
They cannot cook, clean, fix machinery, etc.
But they feel entitled to have a spouse and suburban minimansion just because theyre "old enough".

People nowadays whine about being single amd lonely yet theyre still screwing around with booze amd drugs or binge watching TV and focusing on "get rich quick schemes".
They want to have a perfect marriage despite having a high body count, dietary-induced disorders, anxiety, paraphilia, overweightness,

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Anonymous 24/09/01(Sun)00:01 No. 15616 ID: ffb737

my political opinions are simple:

- we should get rid of representitive democracy, elected leadership has got all the problems that arose under monarchy, but worse because the people are less willing to rise up against the system.
- i propose one of the three; either we go back to having absolute supreme leaders such as a monarchy or dictatorship, or we install a true (direct) democracy where legislative policy is made by a direct vote of the people, or we go full lolbert and establish some barebones set of minarchist laws that are necessary to keep a society stable, and count on covenant communities and natural consequnces to shape the laws of every region beyond the basic laws of ownership regard oneself and ones property (dont kill, dont steal, etc. - plus we can play the fun game of deciding who gets coverage under the laws of the nap), minimal law like those offered up under the principle of nonaggression are also good for eugenics as the dumbasses and asshats are permitted to cull themselves by way of their own inferiority.

- in any event, political change can only come through a circumvention of the system, and that means violent revolution. the goal of a good activist group should be the deatruction or nationalization of their country's (((central banking))) and (((revenue collection)).

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Anonymous 24/12/30(Mon)07:12 No. 15853 ID: 5b5262

>>14265
Everyone whines about loss of virtue. The problem is virtue is often romanticised as pretentious scholasticism

Atheism Spectrum Disorder Anonymous 24/04/20(Sat)17:24 No. 15387 ID: 01d296 [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364254/
>Religious believers intuitively conceptualize deities as intentional agents with mental states who anticipate and respond to human beliefs, desires and concerns. It follows that mentalizing deficits, associated with the autistic spectrum and also commonly found in men more than in women, may undermine this intuitive support and reduce belief in a personal God.
>...it is possible that the autism spectrum is associated with interest in math, science, and engineering (IMSE), which in turn reduces religious belief.

If autistic people lack the ability to understand other people's feelings and desires, then obviously there can be no moral imperative for them to care about anyone other than themselves. If your life is based on numerical values in a graph, calculations using formulas and looking at the world through a mechanistic lense then you become sociopathic.
I've never met an autistic person that wasn't socially awkward and giving off creepy serial killer vibes.

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Anonymous 25/02/19(Wed)11:14 No. 16009 ID: 18ea2c

>>16005
Sounds like a section from The Selfish Gene.

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Anonymous 25/02/19(Wed)15:16 No. 16010 ID: 4e7630

>>16006
His parents gave him everything.

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Anonymous 25/02/20(Thu)10:49 No. 16014 ID: 52f22c

>>16007
The world is not your personal playground.

Anonymous 24/11/06(Wed)15:27 No. 15749 ID: 5336f4 [Reply]

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Anti-natalism is fucking retarded but also has a point. Forget the troubles of this world you're gonna put a child in. Even in a perfect utopia, how can you birth a child without any way of discussing with them about their decision to be born or not and carry the burden of their senses like constant anxiety of death or hunger? Well actually, you can and people do every second according to some internet stats, but how can you justify it other than that creampies feel good?