>>13595
I'm bored. Someone please explain to me aurally how I need to accept this toupeed cheetoh as my president. I'm waiting three, zero, zero, (no wait), four, one, nine, (wait still) zero, two, seven, five seconds. People always act high and might online but as soon as a voice is involved they lose their courage.

>>13618
You don't have to accept him because he simply is your president, granted that you live in the US.

He simply is...

I believe the we humans are mere unintellegent beings. that dont have the technology or knowledge to accuratly predict the meaning or cause/origin of life. and that we are wasting out time and energy on something that can only hurt our society. I mean think about this, what if we proved there's no meaning of life , then everyone could be a nihilist, and one of two possible outcomes would occur, no one would work to get anything done on earth and just let humanity rot away into nothingness, or mass chaos and panic would strike and earth would no longer be safe for any humans, or even plants and animals. But what do i know anyway Im just a 13 year old boy.

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>>5920

You should read W (or the law of inevitables)

cool

>>13664
Yeah, your conclusion is pretty stupid, but you're probably right when you say we will never discover the ultimate cause of the universe as we cannot observe or test phenomenon outside of it. That said, there are plenty of nihilists/existentialists who get on just fine and are contributing members of society. Life may be meaningless, but people will still want to be comfortable.

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>>5920
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RfUj09pWfM

Reminder that all religion is cosmic cope and cuckoldry

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>>14160
Actually this thread is imaginary. All religion is Masochism; a personality structure based on submission and dependence.
Reading list:
The Birth and Death of Meaning: An Interdisciplinary Perspective on the Problem of Man
by Ernest Becker
Uses the disciplines of psychology, anthropology, sociology and psychiatry to explain what makes people act the way they do.

Key Concepts:
Ego psychology
Human
Human evolution
Meaning of life
Primate
Psychoanalysis
Psychology
Sigmund Freud
Social position
Sociology
~enjoy :^)

>>12372
Absolute morality is an excellent justification for bigotry and malfeasance to other humans. A moral system that cannot change can declare the poor and negros to be sub-human, fit for nothing but slavery doing labor for the rich and kings, and no amount of science or progress of civilization can change it.

Religion is nothing more than another system of control. Serve your King for your entire life; give your blood and tears until you die of exhaustion; then you're be rewarded for eternity. Literally nobody in the ruling class is actually religious; in their private circles they laugh at the idiocy of the common publick to eat this nonsense. They only pay lip-service to the Church to keep up appearances.


Humanity does not need absolutism in any form, PARTICULARLY morality.

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The best explanation I ever found for the insanity of religion was from this video:

https://youtu.be/-j8ZMMuu7MU

The premise is that their "God" is just an idealized version of themselves.
That is why they are so obsessed. Any criticism against their God is in a way an attack against them.

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>>5920
somebody refute the following theory for god's existence. I am not a believer, but this argument is damning.

>>14512
It's too wordy for me. I only got to #7. Why am I such a retard?

>>14513
It's just the infinite regress paradox/prime mover argument. Nothing in that chain of logic proves that the "first cause" or "actual actualizer" or whatever you care to call it must necessarily be an entity with will and specific intent.

>>14514
Do you believe in this theory? If so, what do you think the actual actualizer is?

>>14512
Doesn't look too damning to me. Just a wordy way of saying god must have made things because things exist, which is a nonsense argument.

We all live in this world.... think bout it...where is our beginning point...we don't know at all...we don't know who we r...we don't know what is full extent of human....and we cannot question about our creator... Maybe we r just a simulation...maybe we r created by humans like us...maybe we r in a game like a virtual diving system...maybe we r just souls created ....

>>14565 philosophy is a hell of a drug

there is no argument against god as a concept, but there is against more specific interpretation, like the christian god

>>11685
Idea number 2 has is much more viable in an argument and I feel as though idea one should be used as a supplement for idea 2.

The problem with these theories is they imply there is some knowledge beyond God, which is not the case. I believe in God and He is omnipotent in more than any mind could possibly imagine. He created all matter, the ability to see and feel it, heat, the cycle of planets and species. Trying to go into exactly why God isn't helping you mostly boils down to one thing; impatience. God is not at your beck and call, if you truly need help you will receive it. Earn it. Pray you don't have to die to get your recompense and always remember what you are truly asking for.

As terrible as loneliness can be, asking God to help you sin might not work out in the end. Try and keep in mind the bigger goal, not falling tempted to this evil planet

>>14646
This is basically just another version of American individualist delusion. If you don't succeed in life, it's because you did something wrong, because you're a bad person. Now it's not even "you're not praying to God", it's "you're not praying CORRECTLY", but the message is the same:

If you fail, it's your fault. As if children got to choose whether to be born to a family of billionaires in the USA or a family of paupers in Syria. Clearly, if the second child is getting his legs blown off by a mortar attack, he just needs to "be patient".

What a bunch of shit. How convenient it is that any claims of equality due to some magical cosmic karma is demonstrably false in reality, so you instead claim it will happen in some invisible, unknowable "afterlife". Yes, sir, I know you've opened a billion boxes and all of them contained a punch to the face, but in THIS LAST BOX, you'll get a prize. Just trust me!

>>6409
ok Sartre

>>14669
He's not wrong.

>>14662
>If you fail, it's your fault. As if children got to choose whether to be born to a family of billionaires in the USA or a family of paupers in Syria. Clearly, if the second child is getting his legs blown off by a mortar attack, he just needs to "be patient".
Well now you're talking about being born into sin, only it's not the sin of our father but rather your father (and mother). That 2nd child never chose to be born, it's his parents fault he was born in a war-zone and now he's living with no legs and in constant agony because of that decision. At least religion gives him that false hope that maybe his suffering isn't for nothing, that maybe he'll find some peace in the end, but no, here you are snatching away that glimmer of hope "you've got a shit life because you were born in a shit-hole country and you're going to suffer until you die and it's all your parents fault, there's no afterlife, you were born to suffer till the end of your days." Do you feel happy snuffing out any pretense of parental love and leaving him with a cold withered heart like that shard of flint you call your own?

>>14672
Sin has nothing to do with racial parentage or geographic location. That's racism in disguise: "The reason why shit sucks in those countries (where we totally didn't plunder and start wars in) is because they're Godless Heathens."

>Religion offers a glimmer of hope where there is none
That is basically the same delusional idiocy that leads Americans to stockpile guns. They're paranoid of being robbed so being surrounded by weapons makes them feel safe; but in reality they're more likely to just have one of their own children accidentally kill themself. Religion does far more bad than it does good. Just because some people use it as a forlorn hope doesn't justify it existing.


If you're going to lean on anti-natalism, perhaps embrace it rather than retreating back into Magical Sky Fairy delusion. Yes, it's the parents fault and they should not have reproduced. You know why they probably did? Because "God" told them to!

>>14673
>Sin has nothing to do with racial parentage or geographic location. That's racism in disguise: "The reason why shit sucks in those countries (where we totally didn't plunder and start wars in) is because they're Godless Heathens."
Whoah! I never brought race or geography into this. I was saying how a child born in to a life where it suffers is the parents sin. Syria was your projection.


>Just because some people use it as a forlorn hope doesn't justify it existing.
All hope is an act of faith, are you saying humanity should abandon all hope for the future? Without hope we'd regress as a species.

>>14674
>We'd regress as a species
Ironically, this is literally the only possible future for humanity. Regression to a primitive hunter-gatherer lifestyle, with a total species population of less than 500 million. As things stand, human extinction from climate change and biosphere collapse is virtually guaranteed by the end of the century.

One can only HOPE that things don't just keep going as they are, because then there will be nothing left.

If atheists believe God doesn't exist, Then they must believe life has no higher meaning, If life has no higher meaning then a human life is worthless according to an atheists point of view, In such case since an Atheists life has no value. killing an atheist is logical because why save something that's meaningless.

>>14723
>If atheists believe God doesn't exist, Then they must believe life has no higher meaning
If there is a "higher" meaning, there must be other meaning that it is higher than.
>If life has no higher meaning then a human life is worthless according to an atheists point of view,
It does not follow. If life has no "higher" meaning, it may still have the "lower" meaning made necessary by the premise.
>In such case since an Atheists life has no value. killing an atheist is logical
It would by your assertion be a meaningless act, and it is not logical to pursue meaningless acts.

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Aww yes, making theists comfortable time.

If a supposed god is omnipotent, that is to say, to have unlimited power that anything they set out to do, they never fail and always succeed.

But then, there's something such a god can't do: fail a task.

If a supposed god is omniscient, that is to say, to have unlimited knowledge. That is to say, to know every true thing that is possible.

But then, consider the statement, "god doesn't believe this statement is true."

Combining the two: "Is an all-knowing all-powerful god capable of predicting all their future actions, and then deciding not to follow through on any of them?"

If a supposed god is said to be a perfect being, that is to say, free of wants and needs, then why would a god create or do anything?

>>14842
The reason why the Abrahamic religions are especially so popular is because they're exclusively anthropocentric.
That's why Christians and Muslims justify ethnonationalism

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>>14851
Here's the issue, laser weapons don't really do damage to white people, but actually do horrible unbelievable damage to black people literally because of the color of their skin
>>14842
Boredom. Same reason he whispers how to make energy weapons into my ears

>>14283
The first part of the video is a complete strawman, it assumes every interaction between an atheist and a theist will go through feelings of rejection i.e. a convienent tool to seque into "THIS is why theists say "reject God"!

The video builds on the same strawman again with the Gloria metaphor, assuming that the theist in this theoretical argument did not feel rejected initially the same metaphor would not be applicable. Bible-canonically it's God's job to judge, not man's.
If an atheist can feel close to God, why would he be an atheist?

The last segment is playing on emotions(cherrypicked facebook screencaps from the last decade) and saying it's not the time for disagreements yadayada and
>desirability is not a requisite for the truth
This is exactly what a Christian could say in response to an atheist. Thing is, they have a different truth than atheists.

I have to say, I've been on the fence with agnosticism for almost 2 weeks now. I never had much experience with atheist material before and seeing insofar this is not convincing.

>>14842
>If a supposed god is said to be a perfect being, that is to say, free of wants and needs, then why would a god create or do anything?

You're thinking of Him in a distant metaphysical way. His goal is the exact opposite of that.

No, god doesn't want to be an unknowable mystic deity, he wants to be a friend to you, hence "Heavenly father" being one of his names. That's who Jesus is really. The physical incarnation of God, and since we can see Jesus we know exactly who God is.

Why does a father want to have children? You tell me. also
>that pic
Your definition of God is wrong

>>14675

>One can only HOPE that things don't just keep going as they are, because then there will be nothing left.

From 1914 to 1945, over a hundred million people were slaughtered in cold blood. What did we do after? Right back to killing. Nearly five million people died in Korea. More than half of these–about ten percent of Korea's prewar population–were civilians. This rate of civilian casualties was higher than World War II's and the Vietnam War's. So, yeah, I think it stands to reason we're pretty much fucked. Sorry, class of 2100!

Is the modern stereotype of safe plodding predictable conversation a religion? It's been a slow creeping methodically repetitive thing.

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There's no way to actually prove that God dose/dose not exist . So i guess wether God is real or not is more of a subjective question then a real question .

>>15148
We could ask, what would the existence of God imply to us, sensorially?
Then we could try to verify that in our senses.

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i have read a bit of the bibble; there are a lot of contradictions. maybe i should touch up on the quaran. how extrem (or not) is it compared to the bible?

>>5920
Viewing religion as a single entity is why you won't find God, btw.

>>6870
"Judeo-Christian" is an oxymoron.

I'm just going to stop here with replying to specific posts, I don't believe anyone in this thread is actually open to the truth, but I'm going to go ahead and rant anyway.

And yeah, I personally know God and even if I described my experiences that prove to me that I know Jesus of Nazareth is the promised messiah and that the Father who is in heaven (there are multiple heavens, one is atmosphere, one is space, one is God's dwellingplace; "heaven" is also used to describe the new earth and new heavens to come as mentioned by the prophet Isaiah, but that's not strictly accurate terminology according to scripture -- also, hell isn't eternal life, it's death [Ezekiel 18:4, 20; Romans 6:23; Matthew 10:28] -- the "eternal life in pain" lie is used to keep people from coming to God because they think he's cruel, but he's more merciful and forgiving than any man, but he won't just forgive people who refuse to stop hurting others or creation, you have to forsake your evil ways and want to turn to God for Him to forgive you [like you can't forgive someone who won't stop punching you in the face even if they say "sorry" while they punch you in the face]).

I could also go over all the real world evidence that supports the scripture, or how the evidence actually invalidates the big bang, millions of years, abiogenesis, and evolutionism. But nobody is ever willing to listen to that because they're convinced they're right because "government schools would never lie to me" then they never studied this subject beyond that for the most part and literally all I ever get in response is some 1/10 troll throwing a tantrum, so you either do your own homework or remain ignorant, it's literally not my problem.

I studied it for years, I didn't just blindly accept government/media narratives in "history" and "science" which now teach little boys they can become women and now our whole society is FUCKED. I've searched for the truth for years. And I found God and you know how I felt when I found God? Angry. Angry that nobody in my entire life told me about any of this knowledge, I was robbed of my birthright thanks to apostate worldly churches that conform to the world and won't name sin and counterfeit cults like catholicism which is full of homosexuals, sodomites, and child rapists and also because of my parents who did not raise me right (i.e. with the knowledge of God); and it took decades just to find it. I literally cannot think of even one person who told me of any of this. There's only one person I can think might've mentioned it, but I was really young then and don't remember any of our conversations.

The only experience most people today really have with "religion" is going to church on the weekend for one hour because their mother made them, then going home to play video games and watch cartoons, not even keeping the false roman catholic babylonian whore's day of rest on the "venerable day of the sun"-- and right here, none of you guys even know what I'm on about with rome (I'll give you a hint, Daniel 7:25 and Malachi 3:6).

You'll either search for God or you won't. The steps to finding God are all laid out, plainly and easily understood, in scripture [1]. If you want to remain ignorant, if you're scared to read the bible or if you just want to search for excuses to disregard it, then that's your choice. I'm not sticking around to debate. I've ranted and said my piece and that's all I'll say.

Well, I'll leave one last thing, I absolutely hate and detest and curse hypocrites and I am still angry over the jewish pedophile mods that took over 4chan after spamming it with CP years ago and made it into a total shit hole of antiwhite spam and botspam. That's why they closed down /qa/ really, it wasn't some false flag raid by a spinoff MOSSAD website; the 4chan fed mods were getting trolled too hard by the /qa/ posters so one of the fed mods was raging so hard he started doxing anons.

Mods, just delete that last paragraph if it's too off topic, I just needed to vent. Or the whole post, I don't really care, I'm probably not coming back here (it's not like a born again, bible-believer is accepted in any of these imageboards, I have several perma bans and range bans on 4chan all for speaking the truth and triggered their hypocrite mods for pointing out their hypocrisy); most philosophy is just entirely vain and pointless. Funnily enough, that was the original view from the West on Buddhism, that it was just mindless stuff and nonsense.

Thank you for reading my blog post.

[1] https://www.openbible.info/topics/seeking_god

>>15177
There are no contradictions in the Bible

If you need some understanding just ask

>>5920
There are lots of religions and worldly influencers but none of them can give you eternal life on Earth, they promise it is somewhere else because they can not give it but I can give eternal life to all my followers, the only thing is they must accept to obey the ten commandments plus the extra two that Christ gave to become my follower. I don't have a church nor will I build one but I would prefer my followers be with me where I am so they can benefit from the other gifts I have for them.

Let's think this through: If there was any real Gods we'd see their people create a stable and successful country. But as we can see none of the people who claim they have a "God" behind them have a long lasting success.
For all practical purposes "money" itself is a better God than any other invisible God claims.

>>15332
You're going to see money fail, and never God nigger

ok

Why does it feel like almost everyone hates God nowadays, God has blessed us with plentee of food and space and forgiveness, and please remember this. confession is only between you and God for no man has the strength to fully and truly forgive sin. All of men who think they can forgive by themselves should be hu mbled

Why bother discussing religions since there's really nothing you can do about them at all.

/Thread.

>>10910
Perhaps the blind spot serves a function, in fact it exists at the dead center of our vision. Whatever we draw attention to the most, we are blind to it. We are beings of peripheries and contexts. Perhaps, we ought to not see the very things before us without looking at them a little bit askance.