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Atheism Spectrum Disorder Anonymous 24/04/20(Sat)17:24 No. 15387 ID: 01d296
15387

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364254/
>Religious believers intuitively conceptualize deities as intentional agents with mental states who anticipate and respond to human beliefs, desires and concerns. It follows that mentalizing deficits, associated with the autistic spectrum and also commonly found in men more than in women, may undermine this intuitive support and reduce belief in a personal God.
>...it is possible that the autism spectrum is associated with interest in math, science, and engineering (IMSE), which in turn reduces religious belief.

If autistic people lack the ability to understand other people's feelings and desires, then obviously there can be no moral imperative for them to care about anyone other than themselves. If your life is based on numerical values in a graph, calculations using formulas and looking at the world through a mechanistic lense then you become sociopathic.
I've never met an autistic person that wasn't socially awkward and giving off creepy serial killer vibes.


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Anonymous 25/02/11(Tue)14:40 No. 15948 ID: b5e74f

>>15946
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/autistic-individuals-are-more-likely-to-be-lgbtq
>autistic males are 3.5 times more likely to identify as bisexual than non-autistic males, whereas autistic females are three times more likely to identify as homosexual than non-autistic females

Autism means that your sexuality is warped. It's almost like how autists have trouble with proper social interactions. Both your social skills and sexuality is damaged and you misinterpret everything.


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Anonymous 25/02/11(Tue)17:21 No. 15949 ID: d72e80

>>15947
that's dumb, the people with more inhibitions are less likely to "be themselves". for example, there's probably been at least one moment where you just wanted to murder or fuck someone, but your inhibitions likely stopped you. you probably didn't admit it to anyone, and if they asked if you were considering murdering/raping another person, you'd likely say no, where an autist would be a bit more likely to admit it. who's the liar here?


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Anonymous 25/02/11(Tue)17:27 No. 15950 ID: d72e80

>>15948
your social skills are less likely to be inhibited by social norms. that doesn't mean it's damaged.
"social norms" are filled with lies we tell one another, mostly to not look desperate and to signal to others that while we may have an interest in them, we have other prospects (probably a lie), so they think we're higher on the food chain than we are.


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Anonymous 25/02/12(Wed)08:46 No. 15951 ID: f8c3f2

>>15943
This.

>>15944
That's part of the reason why they're unable to be members of society as a whole. Like malign egotism that causes estrangement.


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Anonymous 25/02/12(Wed)13:36 No. 15952 ID: 05b6b3

>>15949
Autists aren't honest. Their emotions are exaggerated because they can't tell the difference between people's conduct in various situations and get aggravated for no reason. It's the exact opposite because there is so much distortion mentally in a person who lacks understanding of other's mental states.


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Anonymous 25/02/12(Wed)15:30 No. 15953 ID: 121e6a

>>15950
Inhibition =/= lie. You sound like you think life is a competition and everyone is out to get you.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)08:54 No. 15954 ID: 52f22c

>>15951
Must be horrible to think that everyone is an enemy.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)11:36 No. 15955 ID: d72e80

>>15953
>friend gets in a car accident
>ride with her to the hospital
>her family meets us there
>she needs surgery, nothing life threatening
>before surgery, she looks at me
>"anon, thanks for staying here with me, i'm sure you'd much rather be home"

would me saying something along the lines of "nah it's fine, i would rather stay here and make sure you're okay" not be a lie to make her feel better?
because to be 100% honest, hospital waiting rooms suck.
the term "white lie" itself was made for shit like this.
"you're not wrong, you're just an asshole"
"they said what everybody else was thinking"
boss asks you to do something extra and you say "no problem"? bullshit, you'd rather be doing something for yourself and still making money.
people are liars. everyone's life is full of those lies to manipulate others.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)11:52 No. 15956 ID: 3356ad

>>15955
I would tell her straight up what I think, but I would inject a little bit of humor to diffuse the situation. And other words, don't be afraid to tell it like it is, but also be cool about it. I mean, you don't have to pretend you care about people more than you do. But you can be both - transparent about it and cool enough to where they want to hang out with you regardless.

>Yeah, I actually don't care about you, but since I'm here and that fact makes both of us slightly uncomfortable, let's have some fun with it and keep it open enough so there's an possibility to change that fact, but until it is something else than what it is - let's have fun with it and let's work with it.

And if your friend is in dire straights even - fuck it, people are dying in Ukraine by the thousands every day and a pointless war, people are getting bombed more or less indiscriminately in Gaza, we have no problem just moving on with our lives in regards to those things. If you cannot say to the 22 y/o Ukrainian to his face that you don't really care about him that much or enough to be bothered about him in your day-to-day life, I think you should do some self-examination and soul searching. Do you or do you not actually care? It's all right if you don't, but if you do in one circumstance and you do not in another, somewhere within yourself you are lying to yourself and that's never a good thing.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)11:55 No. 15958 ID: 3356ad

>>15956
Tl;dr there's always a way to make fun of or make light of the things that give us anxiety, you are free to do exactly that. unless the anxiety is overwhelming or the person in front of you is literally dying, but at least online folks seem to have no trouble making fun of even dying people, so idk


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)12:06 No. 15959 ID: d72e80

>>15956
"out of sight, out of mind" is a real thing.
if the world paused for every injustice, it would never progress.
and sure, you can do that for a friend. not every friend, and they may not have the introspection and humor to take what you said and laugh about it.
again, we do this in workplaces as well all the time.
you may be an exception, but there's an expectation of respect, subordination, and hierarchy in a workplace and society that inconveniences everyone in one way or another.
you "grin and bear it", which is yet another common phrase that shows the general public lies about shit all of the time.

i don't understand how i can show you all of these extremely common phrases people use to show they put on a front (lie) in society and how you can still deny it. maybe you're autistic.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)12:35 No. 15960 ID: 73afa3

>>15954
Autists act like schizoids and their impression of reality is like that of a video game playing 10 year old.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)13:41 No. 15961 ID: 59665f

>>>15960
The irony of this guy


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)14:04 No. 15962 ID: 3f8e42

>>15961
Did I hit a nerve, my spergy friend? You know it's true. That's why you sit behind you computer screen all day.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)18:24 No. 15964 ID: 8b3ef1

>>15960
True that. I'm shazoid too, I don't just act like it.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)18:33 No. 15966 ID: 8b3ef1

>>15959 I am autistic, but I never denied the claims that you said that I denied... I do see that everyone is lying, I'm just saying what I RECOMMEND the op or whoever that was - do.

The workplace stuff is very real (I FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT), but it is easily solvable by moving into some kind of craft or something that doesn't require you to be fake to make money. There's plenty of work that you can do at your own home if you're skilled with hands and have a analytical mind. If you don't have those things, well look at girls, they walk dogs or whatever. I mean, if you wanted to, you could figure it out unless you live in absolute shithole of a country.


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)19:01 No. 15967 ID: d72e80

>>15966
>easily solvable by moving into some kind of craft or something that doesn't require you to be fake to make money
lol
lmao even


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Anonymous 25/02/13(Thu)21:56 No. 15968 ID: b46f1c
15968

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Just read this entire bread and am glad I did because I gleaned a ton of insights and noticed my personal experience corroborates most of the points made. None the less its been correctly said (in contrast to OP’s also very true and correct point) that many religions are exceedingly autistic in their writings, rituals, and practices. Its also been correctly noted that many of the young people flocking to religion and spirituality based groups today are often extremely autistic. In my experience and in my opinion there are a variety of different types of tists and spergs, it is a spectrum after all. The real spectrum of tism isnt just about how “high or low functioning” the person is but also the type of person in question.

Many of the posts in this bread are speaking about the worst type of tist/sperg who often frequents image boards and whether it be online or IRL is the most likely to make a spectacle of themselves on the basis of the types of behavior and attitudes described in this thread. But there are other types who are not as narcissistic, not as anti-social, not as lacking in emotions and empathy, and are more apt to be appreciative of others and have a desire to understand themselves, others, and life. The type of tist you guys are mostly talking about is an agoraphobic, narcissistic, intellectually ingenuine, psychologically rigid, hyper literalist, who on top of that is on the lower end of the autistic spectrum in terms of “function”.

Modernity has helped usher autism in this type of direction, by allowing all this to be encouraged and run rampant, just like how encouragement of cluster B illness’s have a strong tendency of bringing out the worst in women, ASD has a strong tendency of bringing out the worst in men. But this is entirely by design. Thats not to deny that people are willful victims though. Every tist/sperg is willingly allowing in the worst of themselves which then manifests as the all too often “evil manchild” style of autism. But that is not the absolute essence of what Autism really is in its most raw and unmolded state. At its core its really just a set of basic concepts (most of which were mentioned and explained correctly here in varying degrees) which in and of themselves are only severely problematic for the person in question and others around them when they become willingly driven to the worst of themselves. No different than ordinary folks in that regard. Both tists and neurotypicals are constantly guilty of bringing out the worst of themselves, at all ages. Both become NPCs (husks) by doing as much, and both make themselves and those around them suffer on these accounts. Many, many such cases.

Anyway just wanted to throw in my 2 cents cause this was a real top quality bread, and I genuinely enjoyed reflecting and introspecting on it after my lifetime of experiences growing up and living around the autistic and aspergian. For anyone who didn’t notice, this thread is mostly constituted of the better half of tists/spergs autistically analyzing the worst half of tists/spergs, or in other instances the worst half of themselves. Sure made for good discussion, and a few terms which I screen-capped to look up on wiki. Autism has skyrocketed since 1989 and I bet almost everyone who posted in this thread was born then or after then.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:04 No. 15969 ID: 8b3ef1

>>15968
This thread is full of misinterpretation of autistic people's motivations and perspectives including you, including op. Not as egregious as some here, but you really don't get it.

But I commend you for having an interest and at least understanding more than the average person. Because the average person doesn't have a fucking clue what autism is about or what the inner world of people like us is.

But for example you know that it is extremely varied in manifestation and form. That's actually you know deserves points. Also the spectrum itself is vary wide - from mild autism to extreme extreme cases.

And you would find it surprising that those extreme extreme cases usually show you exactly how much empathy these people have. Just because it looks like they have less empathy doesn't mean they actually have less empathy. On the other hand I personally haven't known that many autists, I can only speak based on very intimate personal experience with it. We just don't bother explaining stuff to people. We would rather have them misinterpret us. So I guess I don't blame you for not understanding it very well.

Damn, the more I read of the thread the more I realize y'all are fucking retards. Anyhow, God bless. This thread has too few autists to actually be interesting.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:30 No. 15971 ID: b46f1c

>>15969
I would greatly appreciate you correcting any specifics about my post or any other posts here that you noticed. Im autistically fascinated by autism, and have a lot of experience being around it in its multiplicity of forms.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:46 No. 15974 ID: 8b3ef1

>>15971
I'm sorry man, I would entertain you in a one-on-one live conversation, but this thread is to uninteresting to me to really address anything specific unless in a very sloppy way which would only dilute everything.

But to keep it short... Well for example narcissism. I see how or why people interpret a lot of the autistic behaviors as narcissistic. However the motivations are not narcissistic and thus the behavior is not narcissistic. If you interpret it as narcissistic, it follows them that you do not understand autism. I'm not saying autists cannot be narcissists, but I am saying that at least 90% of what most would recognize as narcissism and then would conclude that artists are narcissists, 90% of that has nothing to do with narcissism. Anyway it's pretty complex thing and I'm sleepy at this point. Hopefully I threw you a bone.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:48 No. 15975 ID: b46f1c

>>15974
I already drew this conclusion and pointed it out expressly in my own post. Note the things in my post that you said in your previous one were not entirely accurate and that you disagree with and enjoy yourself as you do it anon. Now.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)00:56 No. 15976 ID: 8b3ef1

>>15975
Man, I'm sorry if I misinterpreted you. I'm getting a bit sleepy and to be honest I don't even understand what you're saying anymore. I guess I'm too dumb for this discussion. But my observation still stand. Most of this thread really doesn't understand autism. But I just don't really care about it. Good luck to you though man, you seem genuinely interested. Seriously God bless and good luck. I hope you'll find out what you want to find out.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)01:30 No. 15977 ID: b46f1c

>>15976
On the real, same to you fren. I really wanted to milk more value out of your post because I did understand what you were saying. But somehow I smell a bit of intellectually ingenuine stink in your "too tired desu" post. I got the full value of your post, but seems now your admitting you did not get the full value of mine. Hubris is another one of the worst traits thats utterly insufferable when combined with autism and that all too often is conflated with it. You hubristically presumed you knew so much more than me and that I had drawn the wrong conclusions, but when asked to altruistically provide them for a intellectually genuine audience, you simply just yawned and walked away.

Come back after you wake up and give me a dignified response or im calling bullox on your claims that you can explain anything better than this thread if your unwilling to do it.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)07:42 No. 15979 ID: 8b3ef1

>>15977
Yeah, I'm sorry that was bad behavior on my part. And you're correct, hubris is a big problem with us. Other things you weren't very correct about, but I guess I shouldn't have commented if I'm not willing to engage in a discussion about it.

But the thread is really too long and too boring to engage. Too much confusion, misinterpretation and too little actual insight or interesting discussion. The best that I can do right now is apologize for what I said. You'll be the judge whether or not what I said was true. It's probably wrong. Don't take me seriously.

Maybe I'll come back later to add something more constructive. But yeah, the first posters in this thread and the ones towards the end, but especially the first posters are so fucking clueless. I'm just saying.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)13:51 No. 15980 ID: b46f1c
15980

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>>15979
You better come back and put that autism to good use boy. I want to know more.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)13:59 No. 15981 ID: 6d4202

>>15962
Autistic people only have a surface level understanding of how human relationships work. That's why they're so "honest".


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)14:03 No. 15982 ID: 6d4202

>>15952
Couldn't agree more. There is no depth to their personalities. Only unfettered reactions and impulses.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)14:13 No. 15983 ID: b46f1c

>>15981
Only some autistic people are the type who are unabashedly honest. Others are the types who have no consideration for the value of such things and thus are huge liars. I have been highly familiar with both types of tists/spergs. Then there is the third kind which are so detached and confused they genuinely do not know what it means to be intellectually honest or dishonest at all.


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Anonymous 25/02/14(Fri)16:26 No. 15984 ID: d72e80

>>15982
Yes, they only have a surface level of nuance that prevents them from putting on a front like everyone else does. A front. As in, a lie. They don't understand the need to lie, to not tell someone they're a piece of shit when they are, or to not come straight out and tell a girl you want to fuck rather than pretending to be chivalrous.


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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)01:44 No. 15988 ID: 80c442

>>15960
Actually, irony is, adults who watch politics all day have a more detached impression of reality than a kid playing videogames.

Also irony is, all the pathologising about autism in this thread is mainly projection.


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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)01:51 No. 15990 ID: 80c442

>>15959
It's funny how society likes to tell the youth that "life is unfair deal with it" then tells them to "get off your asses and change the world".


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Anonymous 25/02/16(Sun)21:27 No. 15992 ID: addf41

>>15988
witnessed. its not ironic, anyone who put the time into reading the entire thread, without catching onto this important thread in the thread is a hyper literalizing autist.


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Anonymous 25/02/17(Mon)08:44 No. 15996 ID: e7545d

>>15984
>putting on a front
>you want to fuck rather than pretending to be chivalrous.

lol, you truly are clueless about how regular human interaction works. You are paranoid and have some innate need to "expose" ordinary people. Your "honesty" is more akin to tasteless self-righteousness.
You're like a binary code in some software and totally stripped of human thought.


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Anonymous 25/02/17(Mon)14:04 No. 15997 ID: ade401

>>15996
Severe trust issues.


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Anonymous 25/02/17(Mon)15:07 No. 15998 ID: d72e80

>>15996
naivety or denial, pick one.
nobody is altruistic, and you know it. definitely not you. you want something, and you're willing to lie that you're not or delude yourself into thinking you are.


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Anonymous 25/02/17(Mon)17:09 No. 16000 ID: 1060ca

>>15983
Autists are only honest because they can't see the difference between humans. They're like machines that you do a factory reset on and think everyone is the same.


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Kit 25/02/17(Mon)18:02 No. 16001 ID: 59665f

>>16000
If you actually knew anything about autism, you would know you can't put everyone under one umbrella like that


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Anonymous 25/02/18(Tue)09:07 No. 16003 ID: 52f22c

>>15997
Life is a game in the eyes of the sperg.


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Anonymous 25/02/18(Tue)13:13 No. 16005 ID: f927de

>>15998
You've been reading too many books by Richard Dawkins.


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Anonymous 25/02/18(Tue)15:04 No. 16006 ID: c045ac

>>15990
You're just lazy and indifferent to effort. A defeatist.


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Anonymous 25/02/18(Tue)18:03 No. 16007 ID: b46f1c

>>16003
clarify for me how life is seen by those who are not spergian?


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Anonymous 25/02/19(Wed)11:14 No. 16009 ID: 18ea2c

>>16005
Sounds like a section from The Selfish Gene.


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Anonymous 25/02/19(Wed)15:16 No. 16010 ID: 4e7630

>>16006
His parents gave him everything.


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Anonymous 25/02/20(Thu)10:49 No. 16014 ID: 52f22c

>>16007
The world is not your personal playground.


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Anonymous 25/02/20(Thu)14:14 No. 16016 ID: 0e4975

>>16009
Fedora tipping literature.


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Anonymous 25/02/20(Thu)17:18 No. 16017 ID: addf41

>>16014
Ok so now that you have defined what its NOT, tell me what you define as what it IS.


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Anonymous 25/02/21(Fri)09:17 No. 16019 ID: 62090e

>>16010
Spoiled child.


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Anonymous 25/02/21(Fri)15:25 No. 16020 ID: e00345

>>16016
Euphoric due to intelligence.


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Anonymous 25/02/21(Fri)16:16 No. 16021 ID: addf41

>>16019
>>16020
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