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thomas hobbes Anonymous 20/02/06(Thu)14:34 No. 14396 ID: 039ce5
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hey guys, history BA student here, just watching a lecture on hobbes, wondering why more people didn't embrace his idea of focusing more upon government and the right of the citizen as a response to this shitty world throughout history? would love to hear your opinions.


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Anonymous 20/02/06(Thu)18:43 No. 14399 ID: 9f02ee

>>14396
Because his ideas were more the product of witnessing the toxicity of politics, in the run up to, and the rhetoric of, the English civil war. His ideas have to be seen in that context. He wasnt merely publishing a political tract, he was nailing his colours to the mast, so to speak. He was simply stating what he thought the new politics should be about, and by writing it down was also creating a way to explain himself in a court of law if his side failed to win and incase he was prosecuted.
He produced conflicting political positions regarding whether the people consent to be ruled by a monarchy or not. In other words, whether, or not, simply allowing a king to rule implies consent.
His ideas were stale after the civil war and in fact I believe he went overseas to escape possible prosecution during the Civil war. I have always thought Hobbes ideas were merely written to justify his support of the monarchy and to provide a way of arguing his case if Cromwell had wanted to put him on trial
After the civil war his ideas were just old fashioned, debate had moved on


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Anonymous 20/02/06(Thu)18:48 No. 14400 ID: 9f02ee

>>14399
Forgot to add that, even though his writings regarding his love of the monarchy were largely forgotten, it is still the case that he wrote both in defence of the monarch and then when cromwell appeared to be winning Hobbes wrote his political tracts regarding the rights of the ordinary man


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Anonymous 22/01/17(Mon)00:02 No. 14889 ID: 182caf
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You can keep delving this line of thought. To me it all ends into a lethal shoot-out against the IRS.



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