/phi/ - Philosophy

rant Anonymous 17/08/07(Mon)14:32 No. 13061 ID: 1460ee

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i wonder how all us millennials turn out
our attitude towards the struggle in transitioning from child to adult can either be anger directed towards the economic system or towards those who raised us unprepared (liberal parenting, university system)
it’s definitely a combination of both, but i think the latter deserves more scrutiny. It’s easier to fix and coming to terms with it will make you happier than understanding economic injustices. I can’t conceive of a world in which communism succeeds, marx created or re-appropriated the term exploitation and makes value judgments about the economy that make sense only through a certain lens. I don’t think this viewpoint will ever gain majority support, it’s an anti humanistic theory in the way it assumes victim hood for poor people, they are “exploited” beyond control. The theory reduces people to non-autonomous beings when in reality there can be many reasons people do not succeed economically. In a communistic society would you even be responsible for your own feelings and emotions? A murderer must surely be held morally accountable, which already seems to contradict the idea that poverty is an injustice. In both systems people MUST be held morally accountable therefore its all a matter of preference. Which moral lens do you choose to view from? It would help greatly if the communists clearly set their moral standards, in doing so they would admit to the fact that humans have autonomy and moral obligation. Capitalism clearly sets its own standards and has its own moral code embedded in the way the economy functions, in rewarding certain members of society more than others. Communism has no replacement, and coupled with social liberalism has nothing to say about the value of individual behavior whatsoever. In order to move forward the left must rework or forget marx, the rise of the alt right and Trump’s presidency have made this clear.

Anonymous 17/08/10(Thu)23:16 No. 13067 ID: 4b4e54

>>13061
A liberal is not necessarily a bad parent. A conservative or a socialist is not necessarily a good parent. Take your ideology elsewhere. Also, all of this pseudo-intellectual discussion of the 'generations' is completely exhausting.

Anonymous 17/09/02(Sat)05:30 No. 13092 ID: d5439c

>>13061
Anyway, you're about Communism. Communism imperfect and impractical. People are probably assigning too much blame to the economic system for their unhappiness.

That being said, plenty of people (the vast majority of people, if you look at the ultra-elite and their tactics) are at a major economic disadvantage, and socialist efforts to fix this are not misguided.

Also, the rise of the Alt-Right has been a reactionary disaster filled with more assclowns than was originally thought possible. Their beliefs are pretty inconsistent between members, too, and very illogical.

Anonymous 17/10/03(Tue)19:23 No. 13206 ID: 418d7a

>>13092
That's more of a policy and practicality question than a philosophical one. I think that philosophy has a place in politics, but it's not administration of the system. We have too much development going on with the economic system in the first place just to keep up with that, and the economic system right now is already stressed to the limits providing for people who don't/can't contribute.
If you look at the IMF and how the federal reserve work, read some books on quantitative easing, I think you might come to a similar conclusion I have. It's a unicorn fart economy. The question the best and brightest I've read are asking is just how to structure this correctly, and the blockchain is pretty much what governments are going to be forced to adopt, like Singapore did.
>>13061
>reforge marx
They've been doing that since his book came out. The problem in my mind is that people are attached to political philosophies and are disconnected from political realities. The political reality right now in america is actually the most successful welfare state in human history. If that isn't communism, socialism, whatever, than what is? Do you want everyone to put on grey uniforms and live in commie blocks?
America is a wonderful place and it's made all of this possible through nigh infinite sacrifice, that will continue into the future as well. The American left is acting like they are playing catch-up with the social policies of europe, while the American right has thrown in their flag with the democrats. I've observed this from listening to hours and hours of NPR and Red Eye Radio(conservative-libertarian). Single payer was locked in since obama passed obamacare. The reason why is that the American people want free money, they don't care or understand the future cost of that free money because they want to be even more comfortable.
As for you millennials, most people don't mature mentally much as they grow up. It's up to you decide where you'll end up.

Anonymous 20/11/29(Sun)21:28 No. 14651 ID: 686190

>>13206
you think communism is free money? lol get off this board

Anonymous 20/12/10(Thu)04:37 No. 14658 ID: d05cda

>I can’t conceive of a world in which communism succeeds
Yet capitalism is literally causing human extinction as we speak. Destroying the environment because it's hilariously profitable.

Anonymous 22/07/30(Sat)07:39 No. 15026 ID: da3c72

Aren't you confusedsing communism for neoliberalsism?
Communism was all about accountability.
In the Soviet Union, punishment was brutal. They sent people to gulags to be reformed.

Also, liberalism is the foundation of Western society. Liberalism I'd what allows people to have autonomy. It's what allows people to agree to disagree.
Without liberalism, you either have fascism or communism.

Anonymous 22/08/17(Wed)19:14 No. 15097 ID: b10ed5

>In both systems people MUST be held morally accountable therefore its all a matter of preference. Which moral lens do you choose to view from? It would help greatly if the communists clearly set their moral standards, in doing so they would admit to the fact that humans have autonomy and moral obligation.

Communism does have moral precedents. They emphasize labor and harsh punishment for crime.

>Capitalism clearly sets its own standards and has its own moral code embedded in the way the economy functions, in rewarding certain members of society more than others.

Yes, but capitalism revolves around profit. They reward exploitation not honesty.

Anonymous 22/08/27(Sat)07:47 No. 15112 ID: fd43e1

>>13206
>The political reality right now in america is actually the most successful welfare state in human history. If that isn't communism, socialism, whatever, than what is?

What youre describing is capitalism.
That welfare state was made by people breaking their backs for nothing.

>America is a wonderful place and it's made all of this possible through nigh infinite sacrifice, that will continue into the future as well.

Well, if you think alcohol is better than marijuana and think allowing kids to walk and bike to and from school is unsafe and think oversized roads and cars are a necessity then yes.

>The reason why is that the American people want free money, they don't care or understand the future cost of that free money because they want to be even more comfortable

The crux of this whole problem in the first place. Its also why technical skills were taken out of schools and why young people are suckered into thinking college is the only way to go.

Anonymous 22/09/02(Fri)05:04 No. 15123 ID: e2e793

In 1918, Rosa Luxemburg asked a simple question: Socialism, or Barbarism? The world chose Barbarism, and it gets what it fucking deserves because of it. The hope for a better world is dead and you killed it. You slaughtered the working class and continued exploitation. You fueled right wing nationalism and oppression towards queer people, people of color, indigenous people, and most importantly the wage laborers. I feel nothing.

Anonymous 22/09/03(Sat)03:04 No. 15124 ID: dceb39

>>15123
No one really cares about wanting to equalize the burden of labor.
All they want is to become the new slavemaster.

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