>>1900
YES

How?

>>1902
A constitutional amendment would be nice.

The people have the power to push it through with a 3/4ths referendum, but good luck getting 75% of eligible voters to agree on any one thing after two centuries of partisanism.

Seriously, how would you even do that? Political parties are just platforms for ideas; and ideas are bulletproof Yell at black people on the internet

>>1911
Don't mind him, he just hates political parties because he's autistic and feels uncomfortable around other people. He thinks if there are no political parties there won't be any groups of people for him to feel uncomfortable around. As I said... autistic...

>>1911
Only the lazy and stupid rely on a party to get their ideas. People should be forced to have their own ideas and opinions.

>>1916
so, consensus should be illegal?

>>1917
Parties do not promote consensus, they engineer it.

For democracy, and the system of checks and balances laid out in the constitution to function, we need voters to consider only their own interests--not what their party tells them to be interested in.

>>1913
How do those boots taste?

>>1911, see >>1905.

>>1919
>we need voters to consider only their own interests
but how true is that, even? let's say, according to my own interests, i'd like drugs to be decriminalised because i'm an occasional user and i don't see anything wrong with it. however, how do i know it's the same for everyone else and there's no way it can cause some kind of a drug crisis/pandemic that will eventually fuck everything up? i work minimum wage, so it's in my interest for minimum wage to go up. the fact i might end up losing my job because my boss can't afford to suddenly pay all his employees a higher wage, is no longer "my own interest", right? the reason most people don't make the laws, is because most people don't know what's good or bad for most other people - they should, because laws just so happen to apply to us all equally. if everyone got/did whatever the fuck they wanted, it wouldn't be called democracy, but you already know this and are for some reason scared to call it by its name.

>>1920
Why don't you trust yourself? Why do you need someone to think for you? What did they do to you when you were a child?

It doesn't matter if you, or any particular individual is right or wrong; democracy is self-buffering: once everyone's votes are counted, whatever the majority voted for is what the government will do. Maybe we all together do vote for something stupid, like prohibiting alcohol, but most of the time we--as a single collective--choose what's best for most of us.

Against your vote will be other votes, some of them from people who know better than you and some from people who don't. What matters is that we don't have a huge group of people who all vote the same way because they were told to by someone--because that someone could be wrong.

As long as each individual votes as an individual, the risk of doing something really stupid with democracy is greatly reduced.

If people get together and vote all the same way because they're afraid of themselves, they not only fail to express the majority will, but risk amplifying the idiocy of their leaders.

>>1921
right, so you're actually advocating for proportional representation, not anarchism; my bad. that, is something i definitely agree with.

>>1922
Always have been.

>>1900
yes

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It would be so much better if the US worked like Russia, where parties don't matter because the only ones who can win are the ones who the man at the top says can win.

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>>1932

Hmmm...., that's interesting. So like all of the EU and the U.S.A., and at the moment every country I can think of on this planet.

Have you been aware of this for a while or is this realization some what new to you ?

Any way chin up, solider on and all that. There's a good anon.

Shouldn't it just require a more fair system of itself? This isn't niggers, just banning a name won't make greed go away

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>>1934
Overturning citizens united with a constitutional amendment would be a good start.

The fuckery really started when the 1% wealth exploded and they started owning a sizable portion of congress, who no longer had to pay attention to their voters because they'd vote for whatever their particular flavor of media (also owned by the 1%) told them to vote for.

Abolishing all political parties implies a move towards direct democracy. Which, let’s be fair, is a great move.

I don't think it would change anything.

More niggers, more problems. No niggers, no problems. Look at how well countries were doing before welfare... No robberies, no random serial killers... Then, niggers

>>1999
Right now, I want you to picture a giant boot stepping on you and all the niggers (and gays and Jews and whoever else you don't like). The boot is on the foot of some rich old guy or a corporation like Amazon or Google or whatever.

Now, remove all those niggers and whatever else. You're supporting the boot all by yourself. Now, please explain to the class, how this is better for you. Because if you think the rich are going to magically stop oppressing you and stealing from you, you're delusional.

>>2002
So long as you tell poor white trash there's someone worse than him, he'll hate those people instead of paying attention to the ones actually responsible for making his life hell.

But it's like abortion and Republicans, they'll never outlaw it because then they couldn't fundraise off it.

>>2002
It's better because there are no niggers and jews. That's one hell of an easy question.

>>2002
Why would a rich old man steal from you, a poor nigger? Corporations can only "steal" from you if you willingly give them your money. Meanwhile the government straight up takes your money and you don't get a say in how much of it they'll take or what they'll spend it on. You are likewise delusional, if you think that the government will stop the corporations from being evil. They'll issue a slap-on-the-wrist fine, go spend it on hookers, then come back for some more cash a few years later. It is a mutually beneficial relationship, because the evil corporation is allowed to exist, as long as the government gets a cut. Why would the government deny themselves this luxury, when they can just keep shaving bucks off a big corp and still come out looking like they just saved the day?

>>2081
>Corporations can only "steal" from you if you willingly give them your money
You are now aware of the concept of "monopoly" and how it robs consumers of choice.

>the government straight up takes your money and you don't get a say in how much of it they'll take or what they'll spend it on
You are now aware of the concept of "voting" and how--at least in the United States--it applies to elections of both state and federal representatives as well as state laws.

>delusional, if you think that the government will stop the corporations from being evil
You got this one right.

>Why would the government deny themselves this luxury, when they can just keep shaving bucks off a big corp
The government doesn't "shave bucks" off big corporations: it does everything it can to avoid charging them or their owners any taxes of any kind. This is how they promote the evil you mentioned a sentence before: by letting them get away with whatever they do and neither taxing nor fining them into compliance with anything.

>>2093
You could have at least brought up productive solutions like antitrust laws, but unfortunately you're a retarded moron communist completely stuck in your street agitator indoctrination. As such, you can only point to le evil corporation as the root of all problems.

If only it were dividing and conquering anything other than normal people against you lunatics.

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>>2104
>communist
It's cute that you think you know what that word means but of course like all conservatives... you have no fucking clue.

Enjoy growing old and dying alone, you miserable prick.

>>2106
I don't think being called cute by a communist is very flattering. Nor does it change the fact that you are a radical hardcore communist. You've successfully added nothing to the conversation, which I suppose in some small way is better than the endless destruction that communism inevitably results in.

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>>2122
Does your sugar daddy give you a shiny nickel every time you type the word communist?

>>2106
All communists must fucking hang.

>>2125
Seriously though, without getting into a discussion of what this word actually means and what it means to you:

What did the people you call communists do to you?

>>2126
>What did the people you call communists do to you?
Killed my favorite genre of literature, and deprived the world of countless works of art.

The Russian perspective was such a culturally rich, intelligent, thoughtful, interesting and unique point of view. Gogol, Pushkin, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy. All masters of the written word.
1920 happens and it all stops.
Stupid, useless retarded fuckin commies killed every single independent thought in the country. For what reason?
Because they thought they'd make some sort of utopia based on absolutely fucking nothing but their own arrogance.

Every commie must be cleansed from this Earth so that civilization may live.

>>2126 
>>2127 
Just so we're crystal, by "commie", I mean every marxist/communist/socialist, word game playing, arrogant, power hungry, retarded, little FUCKFACE, and by "cleansed", I mean chained to a trailer hitch and fucking road hauled until they're nothing but a fucking pelvis wearing a belt.

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>>2129
>arrogant, power hungry, retarded, little FUCKFACE
So, in other words, you hate yourself.

Which makes sense since you're a pedo.

>>2130
Nice defense. I'm sorry that you're not as smart as you thought. Must break your heart.

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>>2131
>defense
No defense here, just calling you a filthy pedo.

Someone's trying to argue his way out of eating his gun and you're losing, aren't you, pedo.

>>2133
I was taken aback before I remembered your a commie retard. Espouse those retarded commie ideals outside and I'll cave your fuckin skull in, k?

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>>2136
Well that makes sense, someone exposes your pedophilia and your first impulse is violence, much like the violence you commit against defenseless children every day. DIAF you sick fuck.

>>2137
So, you're a filthy commie fuck... and a weird slanderous faggot?

You make me fucking sick. I'd kick your scrot up your throat, you sick weird commie faggot.

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>>2138
Glad to see you've admitted to being a pedo. Maybe now you can eat that gun you masturbate to every night.

>>2139
Wtf are you talking about, you retarded fuck?

Die in a fucking fire.

>>2140
He seems to think "pedo" is a slanderous thing to call someone.

He doesn't understand where he is.

Nothing to get worked up about.

>>2141
>He seems to think "pedo" is a slanderous thing to call someone.
That is a slanderous thing to call someone.
>Nothing to get worked up about.
NO YOU CALM DOWN!

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>>2142
You don't know where you are.

>>2143
And here comes some clueless faggot, fresh from encyclopedia dramatica now. Get AIDS.

>>2144
>clueless
Says the guy who thinks "pedo" is an insult on 7chan.

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>>2145
I just figured it'd make as much sense to call him a pedo as he does claiming everyone who disagrees with him is a communist.

He wouldn't know a communist if one walked up and slapped their dick across his face. Which, I believe, is what happens to him every weeknight.

Except for the communist part.

>>2145
Do you wanna fight? Is that what this is about?

>>2146
>it'd make as much sense to call him a pedo as he does claiming everyone who disagrees with him is a communist
At last, common ground. Yes, that is equally nonsensical; no, he has no idea what a communist is; maybe, his father does whack him with is penis every night before bed.

>>2146
No, I want to make love--to little girls.

>>2148
>he has no idea what a communist is
Alright, douche bag, I'll ask. What do you think a communist is? Define communism/a communist.

>>2149
A communist is an adherent to, or supporter of communism: a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

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>>2150
Yep.

And the thing is, there are communist political parties in the US. They make about as big a showing each year as the Libertarian party does. Which is to say, not a whole lot. But at least they don't let hairy fat guys wearing thongs strip off all their clothes at their convention and strut around like they're God's gift to humanity.

Of course nobody who advocates for the nationalization of all fossil fuel companies, factories, steel mills, automotive companies, etc., etc. actually belongs to a major party.

Not even Bernie.

>>2150
I see and is community a quantifiable number or amount space?
Because it seems like it's not.

Who would be the judge of people's abilities and needs?
I call that job. My needs are greatest and outweigh anyone else's.

>>2152
>My needs are greatest and outweigh anyone else's

This is why there are no "communist" countries on the planet Earth. There's always some asshole like you who dumps a huge authoritarian shit on the revolution before anyone has a chance to set up a system that would actually protect the division of property and wealth from someone like you.

Maybe it can never work. Maybe there will always be this asshole. I'm not advocating for it anyway. My point was to get you to comprehend that the pejorative use of "communist" you learned in whatever red state you had the misfortune of growing up in does not actually mean "communist".

What you hate isn't communism or communists. What you hate is a fictional boogeyman made up by corporate gluttons for their co-opted politicians to pretend to stand against and their media co-horts to drum up every time the public starts to get overly dissatisfied with the abject failure of western democracy and capitalism to satisfy their most basic needs.

>>2153
>Maybe it can never work. Maybe there will always be this asshole.
Maybe? There's always an asshole. Always. Like what is wrong with you that you haven't learned that people will always do what they can? So extremely cavalier with people's lives that they start a revolution with absolutely no fucking plan for government or prevention of despotism.

>I'm not advocating for it anyway. My point was to get you to comprehend that the pejorative use of "communist" you learned in whatever red state you had the misfortune of growing up in does not actually mean "communist".
I grew up and still currently reside in the bluest blue state in existence, and I know commies well. Liars. Constantly gaslighting, excusing, and manipulating. I stand by what I said. Say one thing and do another.

>What you hate isn't communism or communists. What you hate is a fictional boogeyman made up by corporate gluttons for their co-opted politicians to pretend to stand against and their media co-horts to drum up every time the public starts to get overly dissatisfied with the abject failure of western democracy and capitalism to satisfy their most basic needs.
1. Don't tell me what I hate. I hate you, commie scum.
2. Not so bad. Had Outback tonight. You never saw anyone in West Berlin sneaking into East Berlin to escape the horrors of capitalism.

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>>2154
>Berlin
Actually there were quite a few defectors from the west.

East Germany had a very long, very contentious relationship with USSR, any attempt to claim that East Germany represented the totality of communism is specious logic at best, disinformation at worst.

You really should spend more time studying history instead of living your life in ignorance of it.

>>2155
Should I go with the Russo-Ukranian famine of the late 40's and it's mirror in The Great Chinese Famine in early 1950's as a communist characteristic?

Both totally preventable. The lesson being the state can't distribute resources as fast a market or predict futures like a market.

60 million people died to teach us that lesson and you still go on.

>>2156
Round and round she goes, where her circular logic stops everybody knows: nowhere ever.

Go find some place that doesn't have a sickle and hammer logo to be willfully ignorant.

>>2157
And here comes the retard to spout more defensive, gaslighting bullshit. No wonder you're alone on Thanksgiving.

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>>2158
>defensive, gaslighting bullshit.
>No wonder you're alone on Thanksgiving.
ಠ_ಠ

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>>2156
Actually the former is called the Holodomor and occurred because Ukrainians were organizing to leave the USSR. When crop yields went down the Russians decided to let Ukrainians starve and use that food to feed Russians, so Russians could then take over Ukrainian land.

It has nothing to do with communism, has everything to do with Russians doing what Russians have always done.

>>2160
>n-no!
>b-but it wasn't True Communism (tm)
every single time

You were supposed to have two different choices at least every single time, not the same exact platform with a new puppet on top

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>>2161
>I have one horse and I'll beat it no matter how little sense it makes to keep beating it

>>2171
Good job talking about yourself and your childish fixation on communism.

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>>2178
>fixation on communism

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>>2178

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>>2189
So the guy... who claims everything is communism... doesn't have a fixation on communism... but all the people he claims are communist... do. That's what you're going with?

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>>2195
>communist complains that I think "everything is communism" after being called out for being a communist

>>2160
>leaving the USSR
>Nothing to do with communism

Like I mean it wouldn't make much of a difference lol, choice is an illusion. Simple as

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>>2251
If choice is an illusion, then everything must be deterministic, meaning you have no personal experience nor influence over which you have power. So then why have an opinion about a choice that doesn't exist to the extent that you feel motivated to say "well I can't make a choice."

Did you decide to not have a choice, or are you just a broken cricket in the wind? Whom was it mean to convince? Or did nobody hear it anyway?

>>2273
>if choice doesn't exist why not just fail?

Spoken like someone clearly meant to win, lol

>>2274
Well, I mean, if there is a choice, then why not chose to win? Is there any reason otherwise?

>>2276
There is no choice

Everyone would choose to win

>>2277
Sounds more like a devolution into a question of whether or not free will exists. That's an interesting question, but I don't think it's really relevant to the thread topic beyond pointing out that OP posited an obvious choice between banning all political parties or not. So if you believe that there is no choice, then the topic is moot, and you should base you argument on that observation instead.

As far as I'm concerend you just made an obvious choice to lose.

ITT: A slave makes every excuse possible to uphold a system that robs him of ownership, freedom, education, and a future which isn't communism.

And you wonder why we say both major parties in the US are toxic.

>>2286
The system is pushing communism hardcore. What on earth are you talking about? Do you want the red team flavor or the blue team flavor?

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>>2298
Fuck you. I have been telling people to vote third party for nearly a decade now. Consistently.

The problem is [I]you[/], insisting we all take "sides". This is not a dichotomy. There are *numerous* parties, perspectives, and policies to consider.

Stop talking like we only have two choices.

FUCK. YOU.

>>2303

I'm gonna guess you haven't been of voting age for all that long. Give it time, you'll see that in most contemporary democracies, strategic voting is an absolute necessity to tip the scales to the lesser of an evil (regardless of what position one has).

No point in voting 3rd parties if they never, ever will have a chance to get elected. It just splits the vote and makes it easier for other shitty parties/politicians to get in. It's a huge problem in parliamentary systems, such as Canada, United Kingdom and India too. It sucks, but if the only parties that realistically stand any chance in your time are A or B and you really hate B but aren't that fond for A, you still vote A anyway.

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>>2305
>United Kingdom
yeah, well that's what we are supposed to think
If we do think about, only thing wrong is if you think a bit hard
You realize that Party A and B are just two heads of the same beast. Party C,D,E are just smaller and smaller heads of said same beast
A real new party which has as much chance now as ever of spring to life and changing things
I like to to see
In the United Kingdom, though the civil service runs the counrty
we could scrap the parties, parliament and the house of lords
The United Kingdom, would just keep on rolling along

It happened in Belgium, they had no government for over 18 months, their civil service just kept running the country

>>2305
this

>>2305
I'm 40 you goddammed retard.

What part of take this shit and fuck off with it do you not understand?

Here's your strategic voting: the people exercise their free will, and their rights, and vote for a third party candidate for president. Not some of the people, *all of them*.

Anything less is not a strategy; anything else is sucking a dick. You like the taste? Swallow, bitch.

Fuck you, fuck your loser attitude, and fuck bipartisanism.

Vote third party or take responsibility for the death of democracy, you fucking coward.

Isn't one of the Kennedy's going to run as a independent now ?
I'm still stuck in the UK. Where labour will beat the Tories. Except it's all one direction. With different greed's and egos.
So if you can keep me up to date Yankee shit, I'll try and do my best over the pond.
Night all anons

You guys should look into how voting worked in the Roman Empire.

There is no sanity in the USA anymore.

How can you deal with Americans when they look you in the eye and say that the US had TSA groping in 1776?